Compiled Information

> You want info abt. CHB?

> I have taken the liberty of putting together a few postings from the CHB

> List relative to the history of CHB.

> This is kinda long.

> Enjoy.

> By the way I got my boat in Nov. of 1985 in Clearwater,Fla.

>We know each other well-----in the biblical sense!!!!

>

> CCC

> M/V CC RIDER

> 1981 CHB 45 P/H

> CHARLES and PAT CULOTTA

> Patterson, La.

> http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/

> >

> >

> > > I recently purchased a 1977 37' foot C&L trawler and in the survey it

> > >said it was built in Taiwan, unfortunately I cannot find much info on this boat...

> > > I was told C&L was the Importer not the builder and now C&L is out of

> > > business.

> >

> > Lorrie,

> > Here is a run down on who built what!!

> > Well, what us CHB owners ," Chubbies" have come up with over the years.

> > This is not necessarily an exhaustive list.

> > We have a CHB 45 P/H 1981 .

> >

> > Chung Hwa Boat Co. Also Chein Hwa Boat Co a " relative"

> >

> > We have a CHB owners group This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it

> > For more discussion on the pedigree ck. the CHB archives under "

> > History".

> > A year or so ago I found a web site for CHB and as far as I know they are

> > still in business but don't sell boats under their name. They build for others.

> > According to the literature and sales brochures that came with my boat

> > their add was:

> > 10 Hang Chou S. Road , Sec.1

> > Taipei, Taiwan

> > Phone 886 2 321 3337

> > I also have two key chains with that info on them. Did have a couple

> more but gave them to other Chubbies.

> >

> >

> > CHB (obvious)

> > > Northsea (Curlie-Qs at the front of the hand rails, no?)

> > > PT (yep, S/Ns start "CHB". Know of one 38ft in Everett)

> > > Puget Trawler

> > > Southern Cross (Australia?)

> > > La Paz (you So. Cal types may know/see these)

> > > Marine Trader

> > > Hampton (Fu Hwa)

> > > Present

> > > Ponderosa

> > > Senator

> > > Heritage (Chien Hwa)

> > > Escort

> > > C&L

1. 34' CHB, an aft cabin , circa 1985

2. 36' Performance/Chung Hwa PT-36, a sportsfisherman , Norek design, circa 1989

3. 38' CHB-38, a double cabin & sedan , circa 1985

4. 38' Performance/ Chung Hwa, an aft cabin & sedan, circa 1980

5. 38' Performance/ Chung Hwa, a sundeck, Norek design, circa 1989

6. 41' CHB-41, an aft cabin, circa 1985

7. 41' CHB-41, a sedan, circa 1980

8. 41' Performance/ Chung Hwa 41, an aft cabin & sedan, circa 1980

9. 42' Performance/ Chung Hwa PT-42, a sundeck with cockpit, Norek design, circa 1989

10.45' CHB-45 , a pilothouse, Monk design, circa 1980

11.45' CHB-45 , two different sedans, circa 1985

> >

> >> The Eurobanker is very close to a Marine Trader,

> > Chien HWA, or other Chinese trawlers of this class and price range.

> >

> > On close inspection, they are the same family of boat.

> >

> > I do not know who imported these boats to Europe, but

> > for all practical purposes think of them as Marine Traders

> > with a different name for the European market.

> >

> > My friend in Belgium has one (36') and it only took

> > a few minutes inspection to figure out that she was built

> > by the same Chinese folks who build MT, CHB, Albin,

> > etc.

> >

> My wife and I have just purchased a very nice 1979/80 28' Polarus CHB

> > Trawler.

> > This model is extremly rare.....so I am told. The is only one other

> > one on the Canadian West Coast. I would like learn more about this

> > model and would love to chat with any group member who can share info

> > on this model.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Brooke in Victoria B.C. Canada

>

> Additional note:

>

> Manufacture code "WCR" was assigned by the USCG to "Yacht Building Company

> of Chung, Taipei, Taiwan" from 1976 until 1992. This sounds suspiciously

> like one of the Chung Hwa cousins and might fit your "xxR" code, but that's

> just a guess.

>

> Keith

> A hull id number that begins with CBK35 would indicate a 35 foot model made

> by Chien Hwa Boat. That was the CHB yard in Taipei on the north end of

> Taiwan, but I'm told it's now gone. A hull id that begins with "CHB"

> indicates Chung Hwa Boat, on the south end of Taiwan, where a wide variety

> of boats are still made Those are not the only two codes used with the

> various Taiwan CHB cousins, though. The US Coast Guard database of

> manufacturer codes is pretty weak about this Taiwan stuff and shows the CBK

> address as that of the last known US importer rather than any relevant > Taiwan info.

>

> Keith Johnson,

>

> You boat is a 35 foot CHIEN HWA built by Chein Hwa Boat Mfg Co.,Taipei,

> Taiwan and finished August, 1983 hull #108

>

> The CHB (Chung Hwa Boat) and the CBK (Chein Hwa Boat) are very close cousins

> even though the CHB yards were in Kiaoshung at the southern end of Taiwan

> and the Chein Hwa yard is in northern Taiwan. BTW CBK is the builder of

> Kady Krogen yachts!

>

> Any of our CHB historians/pedigree experts care to jump in here on this one?

>

> Ron & Marilyn Sallee

> snip......................Does anyone know the history of the "Present"

> brand trawlers. I know they

> > were built in Asia but that is about all I know. There is no information

> > available on the net. Any insight into their history and any known design

> > issues would be greatly appreciated.

> > -----------------

> >

> > Hi, Phil. The Present trawlers were made by the Chung Hwa or Chien Hwa > yards in Taiwan and were therefore CHBs

under a different name. In the 70's

> the manufacturer allowed each importer to call their boats whatever "brand"

> name suited their fancy. Hence you will find CHBs called North Sea, La Paz,

> Southern Cross, PT, and Present, to name just the ones that come to mind

> at the "present" time.

> > We have a BB and also a website dedicated to CHBs and their kissin'

> cousins. There are at least 3 Present 42s (2 42s located in Texas and a 46

> in Florida) in the group.

> You can find us at:

> >

> > Website:

> > http://communities.msn.com/CHBOwners

> >

> Welcome aboard, David.

> Rick Megenity already directed you to the CHB website for some of the

> historical info you asked about, so I won't plow that furrow again.

> Yes, Chien Hwa and Chung Hwa are the 2 yards that built CHBs back in the

> 70s and 80s. The yards were owned by the same person. Each boat is different

> in some significant and insignificant ways from its sisterships, even the

> ones built the same year. There are three 1978 34 Chung Hwa tri-cabs like

> ours in the Pacific NW that I have personal knowledge of that are so

> different that one would think they were built in different yards and or

> years. I like to joke that the way the boat came out depended on which

> Chinese family moved aboard to finish the boat once the running gear was

> installed, but this may be truer than not.

> You will also discover that CHBs are known by many names: Southern

> Cross, La Paz, PT, North Sea, just to name a few. Early in the production

> run the yards allowed each major importer to brand the boat with whatever

> name they wished. I think it was in the late 70's that all became just

> simply "CHB".

> I look forward to talking with you on this BB.

> Andy Clark

> I have seen many advertisments for a "Roughwater" but didn't realize they also

> where built by CHB. They seem to be very popular on the West Coast.

>

> What type of rebuild are you doing? Where are you planning to take your

> boat in the future?

>

> Tom Mahowald

> On our Heritage 45 (CHB hull) the number is plainly shown on upper

> starboard transome.

>

> Ted and JoAnne Lyman of Happy Clown

>

> More about dark CHB teak:

>

> Before buying my aft-cabin CHB 45 I looked at a

> CHB 42 sedan. I was impressed by the very rich and dark

> teak used for the doors and other interior furniture. I have seen

> the same colored tight-grained teak in some of the older

> Hatteras yachts --(read high-end models).

>

> The wood almost has the look and feel of rosewood. True -

> the wood is dark, but on the other hand is very elegant and

> rich.

>

> The door to my aft-head is also made of this very dark and

> hard teak, the rest of the boat is typical "Taiwan teak color"

> and texture.

>

> CHB excels in thoughtfully designed interiors with the best

> space utilization and charm for money spent. Most of the

> blue-blood passagemakers are not the equal of CHB when it

> comes to the fine details of our cabin layouts. We have more

> usable space than designs of greater beam and length - now

> if we could only get a handle on deck spurts!

>

> > I noticed in Poulsbo in September that my interior teak is a tad darker > than

> > the other CHB's. Maybe it's just dirt and grease, but I wonder if Chien > Hwa

> > got lumber from a different species of tree in those days. Or maybe it > was

> > the varnish they used. I wish I could lighten it up a bit.

> >

> Brian Hall

> CHB 45 "Any Sea"

> Baltimore >

> From: "Clark, Andrew R"

>

> Thanks, George. The partial list of "CHBs" makes interesting reading. I

> don't think I've seen one such as this before. Interestingly, it does not

> identify any Chien or Fu Hwa-built vessels.

>

> That brings me to another thing I should share. I stopped trying to compile

> a list of Chien/Chung/Fu Hwa boats because the pedigree and heritage of

> these boats gets very murky, given the crossbreeding endemic in the

> Taiwanese boat-building industry then (and now?). I had several off-list

> e-mail exchanges on this subject with Ron Sallee and Tom Mahowald, and the

> consensus was that trying to compile such a list ran the risk of missing a

> member of the heritage family, and thereby making some owners feel not

> wanted because their particular boat mfg/type was not listed. We wanted to

> encourage camaraderie and exchange of "Taiwanese trawler stuff", not inhibit

> it, or alienate the terrific people who are part of, and those who want to

> be part of, this marvelous forum. For example, the C&Ls, while not precisely

> CHBs, do have many (most) of the problems and characteristics of the CHB

> genre, and as such, their owners are and always have been welcome in the

> group. There's also some measu!

> re of connection between the C&L and Chien/Chung/Fu Hwa yards, the nature of

> which is still not precisely clear to me. For example Rick Megenity has been

> an active member almost from the git-go, and his C&L 44 bears a striking

> resemblance to the Marine Trader 44, which, I believe has a strong link to

> C/C/F. So who's to say it is or isn't a CHB. To my mind, it doesn't matter.

> It looks like one to me.

> Bottom line is that my list might have conveyed too much exclusivity, and

> while we are a "CHB Group", the composition of such a group is difficult,

if not impossible to define, given the somewhat mongrel heritage of our

boats.

> Tom suggested a more meaningful list might be one reflecting "Inexpensive

> Taiwanese Trawlers". These would share many, if not most of the

> characteristics of the types we own. The idea being that love of this kind

> of boat, its problems and lessons learned is what this forum is all about.

> Andy Clark

> Andy,

>

> I pulled out my copy of Boatwatch (second edition, 1990) by Max Wade

> Averitt. This book list boats by size and shows a small silhouette line

> drawing of each model as well as a very brief description. The book is by

> no means complete but does have some of the CHB's listed. (I wish I had

his

> later book , Boatwatch: Master Guide to Powerboats (1996) but Amazon's $78

> price tag puts me off.) These books are not related to the Powerboat

> Guides by McKnew & Parker.

>

> Averitt's older book has the following boats listed which include CHB or

> Chung Hwa in the description:

>

1. 34' CHB, an aft cabin , circa 1985

2. 36' Performance/Chung Hwa PT-36, a sportsfisherman , Norek design, circa 1989

3. 3) 38' CHB-38, a double cabin & sedan , circa 1985

4. 38' Performance/ Chung Hwa, an aft cabin & sedan, circa 1980

5. 38' Performance/ Chung Hwa, a sundeck, Norek design, circa 1989

6. 41' CHB-41, an aft cabin, circa 1985

7. 41' CHB-41, a sedan, circa 1980

8. 41' Performance/ Chung Hwa 41, an aft cabin & sedan, circa 1980

9. 42' Performance/ Chung Hwa PT-42, a sundeck with cockpit, Norek design, circa 1989

10.45' CHB-45 , a pilohouse, Monk design, circa 1980

11.45' CHB-45 , two different sedans, circa 1985

>

> Regards,

>

> OK. I added Royal Star to the list. Could the 42 be the same boat as the 42

> Present? There are 2 of those based in the Houston area, the owners of which

> may be lurking here. Tom? Ann?

>

> I'm beginning to wonder if the shorter list might be those trawlers NOT

> built by Chien/Chung/Fu Hwa

>

> Andy Clark

> I suggest you add to the list the Royal Star line. I know

> I've seen ads for different versions of them, and ours is

> the 42. It was brought into the country by a dealer at

> Shelter Island in San Diego. The owner's manual - really a

> three ring binder with blueprints of the vessel and print

> materials from vendors that was apparently put together by

> the dealer - has a Dymo Tape label on it that says it's

> #142.

>

> Larry Telford

> Yes..Ponderosa's are CHB's. I still have the blue prints from when mine was

> built. Seems to have been built in one of the yards we're talking about.

> toni froehling

> "Koinonia"

> 1984 Ponderosa

>

> There have been a few inquires about the CHB yard and some of their boats on

> TWL lately. I'd like to share my knowledge on the subject. I'm recalling

> this from

> memory but I think the following is basically correct.

> Chung Hwa Boat, CHB, was part of a three yard group owned by Y.F.Lee in

> Taiwan. Chung Hwa is located in Kaohsiung, south Taiwan. They built,

> among other

> models, the CHB 34 aft cabin, 45 Sedan, 46 aft cabin, called a sundeck > when the aft

> cabin has no walk around, the 48, the Vantare (sp.?) line of wide body

> yachts, the

> LeFiette (sp.?) sailboat, the Krogen 54 as well as military, fishing and

> small boats for the Japanese market.

> The 34 aft cabin has the largest building run in Taiwan of over 1000 boats.

> It is still made by Chung Hwa in China, see below. It was sold under

> various names

> by many importers with, I'm sure, Marine Trader bringing in the most > numbers.

> The original design was supposed to be from a U.S. military person stationed

in Taiwan

> who wanted a boat for himself. Chung Hwa entered the U.S. market in the

> early 70's

> with the 34 badged as "ABC Yacht". It was so bad they are still embarrassed

> when these boats are mentioned.

> In answer to Mr. Hall the yard claims the 45 hull was designed by Ed Monk.

> This could very well be. It is clearly the best hull design they made.

> The other two yards were Fu Hwa and Chien Hwa located near Taipei. Fu Hwa

> built the 34 sedan model, the Krogen 38 sailboat (suprisingly fast) and

the Krogen

> Manatee among other models. Chien Hwa built the Krogen 42, the Silhouette

> and other

> models. Both of these yards no longer make boats.

> I spent some time in Taiwan in the early 80's and I stayed in a hotel, of

> questionable repute, near CHB's Taiwan office - often with the Krogen

"boys"

> who were

> doing QC work for Jim. Later Jim moved his molds to other Taiwan yards in

> order to

> get the quality he wanted. I remember him saying "no more Hwa yards for

> me".

> After

> viewing one of his 42's I mentioned to him, at one of the great Chinese

> banquets the

> yard put on, that the 42 saloon was to narrow and he should drop the side

> deck on the

> port side. Jim scoffed at this idea saying it would make the boat

> asymmetrical. I

> said that didn't matter as you could only see one side of a boat at a time.

> I swear I

> saw a light bulb blink over his head and, sure enough, shortly after the

54 design

> came out with a single side deck.

> Another banquet story. Occasionally, when the spirits were flowing well,

> Y.F. would tell the story of the 45 sedan he sold to an englishman in Hong

> Kong. The

> buyer held a commissioning party aboard and about 20 people were standing on the top

> deck. The buyer raised his drink to toast his new boat when the deck broke dumping

> everybody in the saloon. The Chinese at the table would laugh so hard at

> this story

> they were literally crying while the brokers and dealers would give each

> other rather concerned looks.

> Y.F. Lee died about a year ago and his son, Earnest, is in charge now.

> CHB has opened a yard in China up near Shanghai where they also are doing

> some real estate business. It is called "Fu Hai" and still builds the much upgraded

> 34 for Don Miller at Marine Trader. I don't know what else they are making there.

> The CHB yard in Kaohsiung is mainly making smaller boats for the Japanese

> market. However they still make a 38 sedan (137K plus engines) and the 46 > sundeck

> (155K plus engines). The 46 is the 45 hull made one foot longer. These

> boats are not

> built exclusively for a dealer but can be purchased by anybody. (Frank Su,

> Tel# 886-2-821 8133, Fax# 886-2-821 0590).

>

> Bill Kimley

> Gee, maybe we should break into two camps: one with CHB burgees and one

> with CBK burgees. Or would that be CHB-South and CHB-North in Taiwan terms?

>

> I don't care where they're all from, I'm just glad I found all you folks

> 'cause the Bayliner crowd just looks at me funny when I talk about leaky

> decks and Lehman engines. You can see it in their eyes... they're thinking

> "only an idiot would buy a boat with rotten decks and rusty steel tanks and

> more exposed teak than you can cover with a barrel of Cetol."

>

> I think it's funny that the original CHB yard in Taiwan was started by an > American (Bill Hardin), then the both the Chung

Hwa and Chien Hwa yards were

> taken over by a Chinese guy (Sinclair Wen) who lives in the US. Yeah, and a

> few years ago Lee Iacocca convinced me to buy a US made car and when I got

> it home I discovered it was made in Canada. The world is smaller than it

> used to be.

>

> I noticed in Poulsbo in September that my interior teak is a tad darker than

> the other CHB's. Maybe it's just dirt and grease, but I wonder if Chien Hwa

> got lumber from a different species of tree in those days. Or maybe it was

> the varnish they used. I wish I could lighten it up a bit.

>

> BTW... wouldn't Courtship's HIN indicate it's a 33, not a 34? Maybe they

> swell up a foot longer when they are brought into rainy areas like Puget

> Sound. I wish mine would shrink a foot so I could save money on moorage fees.

>

> Keith Johnson,

>

> I miss posted yesterday...CBK not chk..is Chien Hwa....

>

> The yards CBK & CHB were in T'aipei and Kaohsiung respectively about 180

> miles apart. T'aipei being on the north end of Taiwan (East China Sea) and

> Kaohsiung at the south end of the island (South China Sea.) For this reason

> I doubt that the actual molds were shared, however the common pedigree is

> obvious in many boats. It is possible that hulls built in Kaohsiung were

> hauled north for finishing or vise versa. It is also possible that

> duplicate molds were built and then used in both yards.

>

> Anyone have definitive information on the symbiosis between CBK & CHB?

>

> BTW whatever your Identification number starts with..if you consider it to

> be a CHB then so do we...with the possible exception of USP !

>

> Ron & Marilyn Sallee

>

> Hi Scott. There's more of us CHBers around than you might think.

> Charles forwarded your e-mail to me. We have a nascent group of owners,

> nationwide, who share the same interests in CHBs. Most of our

> comunications are via e-mail. Few post to BBs.

>

> I too have had the deck off my '78 34ft. It would be

> interesting to compare notes.

>

> Following is an excerpt from a previous e-mail responding to > "what's a CHB?". FYI.

>

> "As far as your question regarding "what's a CHB?", that's a

> good question.

>

> I do know that CHBs were sold under many names assigned by

> whoever imported them. For example, my recollection is that some

> Australian boats were called Southern Cross and also Clipper, some So.

> Cal. boats were La Paz, and some of the Northwest area boats were North

> Sea and Puget Trawler. Golden Coasts, Marine Traders and Tradewinds

> boats were also "CHBs", but I don't recall the geographic areas in which

> they were sold as such.

>

> Somewhere around 1975 the marketing approach changed, and all

> imported boats were called CHBs. This doesn't end the confusion,

> however, since there were 2 yards that built them; Chung Hwa (formerly

> Far East) and Chien Hwa, and boats built in the same year and month in

> each of the yards (as well as in the same yard!) were different in many

> system details and decor areas. Approximately 1600 "CHBs" were built in

> total. There were (and probably still are) so many interrelationships

> and so much inbreeding amongst the Taiwan yards that it's difficult to

> tell who did what, with which and to whom!

>

> To further add to the confusion, I have some friends with a PT38

> (does that stand for Puget Trawler or Performance Trawler?- no one seems

> to know). It's hull id. number starts with "CHB". So it was built in one

> of the 2 CHB yards, but is it a CHB? Since Sinclair Wen who is President

> of Taiwanese Overseas International, which builds PTs, was the former

> president of Chung Hwa, and is still a director and shareholder as well

> as a shareholder in Chien Hwa, the family tree is even more convoluted.

>

> Sea Magazine had an interesting short history of the CHBs in

> their June 1988 issue. That's where I got some of my info. You can

> probably get a copy from the magazine directly, if you are interested in

> reading it.'

>

> Hope this helps. Let me know if you're interested in being part

> of the group. No dues, no commitments (except to participate however you

> wish).

>

> Regards

>

> Andy Clark

>

> tooirish5 wrote:

>

> >

> > I discovered on page 6 that Friday Harbor Yacht

> > Sales lists a new 2002 34' CHB for sale. Cruise ready for $ 195,000.

> > That should send our used boat prices up. My question is, why don't we

> > have the phone number of this factory ? Maybe they have the answers to

> > some of those questions we ask each other about our boats. Upgrades,

> > spare parts or equipment.

> > Jerry,

>

> My man, the builder of the "CHB" is NINBO FU-HAI FRP BOAT BUILDING CO

> It is located in Ningbo COMMUNIST CHINA . You know the same country

> that forced our reconnaissance plane dwn and then would not allow us to

> fly it out, oh , I digress.!!!!!

> They have just entered an agreement with Newfoundland to market yachts

> in Canada.

> Unfortunately I dont think they can or would help us at all. Of course

> that is my opinion , it would be nice if I am wrong. They probably just

> acq the mold for that hull. I did a quick Google search for the co name.

>

> CCC >

>